Κασέτες Beta (max)

[Wally]

Εγινε μετακινηση καποιων ποστ.

Συνεχιζουμε το θεμα περι κασετων BETA

 

[thebest20]

Κασέτες τύπου beta?δηλαδή?δεν παίζουν σε κανονική συσκευή βίντεο????στο videoclub μου 4e παίρνουν για τη μετατροπή μιας κασέτας σε DVD!

 

[ChristosM]

Κασέτες τύπου beta?δηλαδή?δεν παίζουν σε κανονική συσκευή βίντεο????στο videoclub μου 4e παίρνουν για τη μετατροπή μιας κασέτας σε DVD!

Οι κασσετες αυτες παιζουν (επαιζαν) μονο σε βιντεο BETA τα οποια εμφανιστηκαν στην Ελλαδα στα τελη της δεκαετιας του 70 και φυσικα κοστζαν μια περιουσια. Λιγο αργοτερα εμφανιστηκε το γνωστο μας VHS και μετα απο ενα χρονικο διαστημα 4-5 ετων που υπηρχαν και τα δυο, το VHS παραγκωνησε και τελικα εξαφανισε το BETA.

 

[drspiros]

Σωστος ο Χρηστος. Αν θυμαμαι καλα, το Beta ηταν επινοηση της Philips, ενω το VHS της JVC που τελικα επικρατησε. Βεβαια η Philips πηρε τη ρεβανς πολυ αργοτερα με την αναδειξη του ψηφιακου Compact Disc και εξαφανισε εν τη γενεσει του το Mini Disc της Sony, η οποια με τη σειρα της επικρατησε 20 χρονια μετα με το ΒluRay εναντι του HD-DVD της Toshiba. Τελικα η ζωη κυκλους κανει...

 

[dadmin]

Το Beta (Betamax) ειναι δημιουργια της SONY - το Compact Disc ειναι απο κοινου δημιουργια των Philips/SONY, ενω το midi disc (SONY) ειναι πολυ μεταγενεστερο και κοντραριστηκε με το DCC (Philips) και το DAT/ADAT .

Κατα τα αλλα, οντως η ζωη μας κυκλους κανει.

 

[tsalk]

H ιστορία στα format του homevideo ξεκίνησε γύρω στο 1976 όταν παρουσιάστηκε το σύστημα της Sony το betamax. Σχεδόν αμέσωε ήρθε η απάντηση της Victor/JVC με το γνωστό σε όλους μας VHS, το οποίο εκμεταλεύτηκε κάποιες αδυναμίες του beta και λανσαρίστηκε στην αγορά καλύτερο. Ακολούθησαν κάποιες τεχνικές βελτιώσεις και των 2 συστημάτων με το betamax πάντα να προηγήται και το VHS ουσιαστικά να εκμεταλέυεται τις αδυναμίες του Betamax και να εμφανίζεται πάντα βελτιομένο.

Το 1980 η Philips παρουσιάζει την δική της εκδοχή με το format video2000 που είχε την καινοτομία ότι η κασσέτα έπαιζε και από τις 2 μεριές (ο κόσμος αναζητούσε την μεγαλύτερη διάρκεια εγγραφής τότε). Ένα σημείο που έκρινε στο ποιό σύστημα θα επικρατήσει ήταν το γεγονός ότι η Victor/JVC δεν ζητούσε δικαιώματα για την παραχώρηση της δικής της τεχνολογίας σε άλλους κατασκευαστές (όπως η Mastusita/Panasonic και άλλοι κατασκευαστές οι οποίοι υποθέτησαν το σύστημα VHS)

Στα τέλη του 1980 η Sony ίσως έαν μεγάλο λάθος, άρχισε να ρίχνει τις τιμές του betamax που ουσιαστικά καταδίκασε το προιόν της (τα μερίαδα αγοράς έπεφταν συνεχώς)

Έτσι μοιρέα το 1988 η Sony ανακοίνωσε ότι αποσύρει το betamax από την αγορά (το οποίο στην συνέχεια τροποποίησε και περιορίστηκε στην broadcast αγορά με το betacam Sp - Eπαγγελματικό σύστημα και betacam Sx - η ψηφιακή εκδοχή του αρκετά αργότερα) και παρουσίασε στα τέλη του 1988 αρχές 1989 το πρώτο δικό της VHs βίντεο.

Έτσι το VHS ήταν ο τελικός νικητής στον πόλεμο των homevideo στην δεκαετία του 80.

Στο ήχο τα πράγματα γίναν όπως τα περιέγραψαν οι drspiros και Paspartoo

 

[thebest20]

Δηλαδή οι beta έπαιζαν και από τις δύο πλευρές?Κάποιος μπορεί να ανεβάσει photos από τέτοιου είδους βιντεοκασέτες ώστε να δω τη διαφορά?Βέβαια ομολογώ πως σας έκανα να ξεφύγετε από το θέμα,αλλά δεν γνώρισα την ύπαρξη αυτών των κασετών

 

[tsalk]

Bγήκαμε τελείως off topic. Οι beta κασσέτες ήταν one side. To video 2000 ανακάλυψη της Philips είχε double side κασσέτες. Φωτογραφίες κάπου έχω αλλά δεν μπορώ να τις βρώ.

Ελπίζω το βίντεο να σε διαφωτίσει για το πψς ήταν οι video 2000 κασέτες.

Video 2000

 

[Wally]

Παραθετω ενα ενδιαφερον αρθρο για την ιστορια του Betamax

AFU White Paper: The Decline and Fall of Betamax
The story of Sony's Betamax format is not an isolated one, but it is instructive. It is also surrounded by legend and myth, so a closer look at it might be useful.

Getting To the Table

The story begins long before 1974, when the technology to record video data on magnetic tape was maturing. By itself, it doesn't sound like a daunting task, until the sheer volume of data is considered. There is a practical limit to the speed with which magnetic tape can be transported past the read/write heads of a record/playback machine; this limit was overcome almost a decade before Sony's home market debut by designing a head that turned past the tape, and wrote it's information on the tape at an angle.

If you've ever peered inside your VCR and wondered why that silvery cylinder back in there wasn't sitting straight, you know now that the basic technology hasn't changed in thirty years.

By the 1970s there were several Japanese industry giants poised to deliver home video taping equipment. These machines had to be orders of magnitude more reliable than the clumsy existing professional machines, and Sony was the first to consider their efforts market ready. According to James Lardner, author of _Fast Forward_ (New American Library), Sony invited Matsushita and JVC to license the Betamax technology in December 1974. [1]

Sony's Morita was apparently not aware that JVC was almost ready to market their own machine, so may have come as a rude surprise to him when JVC and Matsushita declined the offer. JVC believed it had a better product, and didn't see that the Betamax offered anything new. Moreover, Sony's overbearing attitude in this meeting may have made a definite impression on JVC's engineers.

Upping the Ante

In any case, for a year Sony had the VCR market to itself, selling 30,000 Betamax VCRs in the US. [2] But when JVC came out with the VHS format VCR in 1976, the stage was set for the format wars. JVC had a machine that already doubled Sony's recording time of one hour, and that difference would prove crucial.

By January 1977, JVC was joined by four more Japanese electronics manufacturers to build and market VHS format VCRs. Then, in February, Sony abandoned its long-standing policy against OEM deals and joined forces with Zenith.

Matsushita struck back by attempting to recruit RCA. RCA indicated that the VHS recording limit of two hours should be increased to three or four, and six weeks later, a prototype was ready. In March RCA joined the VHS camp.

Bidding for the Customer

While price later was less of a factor, in 1977 the VHS manufacturers, led by Matsushita, got into the trenches. VCR prices dropped as they became cheaper to make. RCA led by dropping prices $300 below the Sony machine, which caused an avalanche of follow-on price cutting. Eventually even Sony was forced to drop its price by $200. By 1982 the price war was in full swing, and Sony was offering a $50 dollar rebate as a "Home Improvement Grant." [6]

The comments from the sidelines were fairly equinamous. In September 1977, the Saturday Review declared that "Eventually, the public learned to live with two record speeds [33 1/3 and 45 rpm], and doubtless it will also resign itself to two videotape systems."

If nothing else, these comments showed that industry observers themselves hadn't a clue about the technology involved in the VCR.

An Unexpected Joker

Few bits of USAn history are complete without involving lawyers. In 1979, a suit brought against Sony by Universal Studios and Disney was getting into final arguments. At stake was the question if manufacturers of VCRs were infringing on the copyrights of producers of movies and TV programs.

The suit, which named only Sony, eventually left Universal and Disney with no recourse except to consider how to make money from the new technology. Sales of VCRs were apparently unaffected by talk of the legal procedings.

However, even as late as September 1980, the word "Betamax" was used by many as synonymous with "VCR." [3] It is possible that the court case had consequences on Sony's marketing that have never been considered. This is particularly notable when combined with the fact that Sony's share of the VCR market had sunk to 19.1% in 1978, compared to RCA's share of almost twice that at 36%.

Who's Stuck With the Old Maid?

As Sony's market share declined, the manufacturers of prerecorded VCR tapes began to adjust their product lines. Already in January, 1981, Betamax format VCRs accounted for merely 25% of the entire market, and consumers were being warned that the selection for VHS would be "slightly broader." [4]

The Finessed King

Technologically, the two formats were each other's equal. True, except for the recording length, Sony pioneered most of the improvements over the years, but the VHS manufacturers caught up to each improvement, usually in less than a year. So, for instance, within a month of Sony's announcement of Beta Hi-Fi, JVC and Panasonsic announced VHS Hi-Fi formats. Interestingly, the two VHS formats were incompatible with each other. [7]

Comparisons between VCRs with similar features showed no significant differences in performance. In fact, most of the differences could only be seen with sensitive instruments, and likely would never show up on most consumer grade television sets. [5] In particular, the qualitative differences between the two formats were less than the differences between any two samples from the same manufacturer. [8]

Cheap Tricks

Possibly because of Beta's unpopularity, Beta VCRs were much cheaper than similar VHS VCRs by the end of 1985. A Beta HiFi VCR could sell for half the price of a VHS Hi-Fi VCR in 1984 [9], and by the end of 1985 Betas were selling for under $300. [10]

The Fat Lady Sings

In 1987, Rolling Stone announced that "The battle is over." [11] On Jauary 10, 1988 Sony admitted to plans for a VHS line of VCRs. VHS players commanded 95% of the VCR market. [12]

In May 1988, Video magazine came out with an article entitled "Beta Survival Guide." [14] And in September Sony's first VHS recorders came off its assembly lines. [15] A year later, the Betamax share of the consumer VCR market had dropped to less than 1%. [16]

Today the format is still around. In 1994, Video magazine published another survival guide, explaining that the scarcity of blank Beta tapes has consumers buying up prerecorded tapes at fire sale prices, to record over them. [17]

Counting up the Points

Sony did not commit the sins ascribed to them by most of the pundits explaining the demise of Betamax.

Sony did not "refuse to license Betamax."

In its January 25 issue, Time explained that "While at first Sony kept its Beta technology mostly to itself, JVC, the Japanese inventor of VHS, shared its secret with a raft of other firms." [13] This is blatantly untrue. While Sony was decidedly behind in the licensing of its technology, it tried from the very beginning to sign on other manufacturers to the Beta standard.

2) Betamax was not too expensive.

Consumers buying a new VCR saw only minor pricing differences between the two formats. Those looking for the latest technology could apparently find Betamax machines for much less than comparable VHS machines. (Interestingly, one article [8] that makes this statement actually compares two machines where the VHS version is $600 dollars cheaper than the Betamax machine. Possibly the technophile streak that appears to be the curse of many Betamax afficionadoes influences buying decisions much more than price.)

3) There was no shortage of prerecorded Beta tapes

This at least was true initially. Only once the Betamax share had declined well below the VHS share, did prerecorded tape manufacturers try to decrease their inventories.

4) The Universal and Disney's suit against Sony had no determinable effect on Sony's standing in the VCR market. However, this issue is less than clearcut.

Even Sony today agrees that the difference in recording length was the difference that layed Beta low. [17] The other factor appears to have been the one factor for which no company can control: pure luck.

Πηγη

 

[Aardvark]

Tσιμπησα μια Video 8 format κασετουλα με τον Τζιμη Μποντ για το αρχειο μου,ναι ειχαν βγει και ταινιες κανονικες σε αυτο το φορματ.


Περισσοτερο Γερμανια βεβαια.

 

[Wally]

Και μια απο τις 3 αγαπημενες μου Bond ταινιες!! Eχεις Video8 ρε θηριο? Aν χρειστεις καμια αδεια, νομιζω οτι μπορω να εντοπισω σφραγισμενες.

Ασχετο:Θυμαμαι οτι για καποιο λογο οι Video8 κασσετες πρεπει να αποθηκευονται καθετα!

 

[Aardvark]

Oχι δεν εχω ακομη,εχω σκοπο να παρω μια video 8 καμερουλα ειναι και καλες τιμες για να παιζει και τις κασσετουλες,Players λειτουργικα ειναι απλησιαστα.


Και μενα απο τις αγαπημενες μου ειναι η συγκεκριμενη,σκετη 80ιλα,ασε που εχασα το Goonies σε Video 8 ,πφφ.


Θα σε εχω υποψην!