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D@redevil είπε:
Μαριάννα δες εδώ τι εννοώ : http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx
Αναφερόμαστε στην Commodore USA, LLC και οχι στην τότε Commodore International LTD
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ACommodore_International#Commadore_International_is_still_around.'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ACommodore_International#Commadore_International_is_still_around. )
Μπορείς να ονομάσεις και εσυ εαν εχεις εταιρια Commodore Amiga GR η' ακομα και USA που μοιαζει
και ακομα καλύτερα Commodore Amiga USA,LLC .SA ή LTD ή INC..... και να πουλας πατατες και κρεμμυδια!
Κατάλαβες τι εννοώ πρώτα παίζει με το όνομα για να μοιάζει αλλα χωρίς να έχει δικαιώματα και παραχωρήσεις απο την γνωστή μας commodore...
Η LLC σημαίνει Limited liability company ή corporate (μεγάλο παραθυράκι για USA) οι μεγαλύτερες κομπίνες
στη USA τετοιες εταιριες είναι γιατί δεν εχουν σαφείς καταστατικό πως/απο ποιους λειτουργείται αλλα και ο νομός ειναι περίπου όπως οτι γίνεται εδώ με τις offshore....
Για να καταλάβεις LLC ειναι τα περισσότερα ιντερνετικα καζίνο.....
Τι είναι η LLC; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_liability_company
Τι κάνουν οι ποιο πολλοί με LLC; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piercing_the_corporate_veil
Άλλα στοιχειά απο wikipedia:
Controversy
Commodore USA has been criticised for altering previously announced plans,[25][26] threatening legal action against an OS News writer's article,[27][28] and mistakenly attempting to obtain licensing from a Commodore licensee unauthorised to sublicense.[29][30] Commodore USA has been alleged to have used various images, artwork, and designs without the permission of the original authors,[31][32][33] though it has been confirmed that in some examples this has been due to image authors leaving the Amiga user community without leaving contact details regarding their artwork.[34] Further controversy surrounding company's image use policy has revolved around alleged photographs of the C64x assembly line in China, revealed to have been old promotional images for a facility in Augsburg owned by Fujitsu.[35]
Some of Commodore USA's announced products have become vaporware since their announcement. Some of these examples have been cancelled due to intellectual property disagreements, most notably concerning the rights of licensor Amiga Inc. with regards to the possible use of AROS in future Amiga systems from Commodore USA.[17] Others have simply been cancelled as the business plan evolves away from their sector of the market.
Commodore USA has also received criticism from various retro computing groups[36][37][38] who do not recognise any uniqueness to their products.[39][40] Some criticism is due to the company's use of generic PC components, a choice some retro fans see as incompatible with the original products' heritage of custom chipsets. Commodore USA has responded to this position by pointing out the high cost of researching and developing original chipsets, and the relative expense and lack of mass-market software support for other CPU ISAs such asPower Architecture or Motorola 68000 family.[41]
Commodore USA has attempted to address these differentiation related concerns by announcing Commodore OS, intended to be developed to support and be released with Commodore USA systems. Their Amiga product line is not compatible with original Commodore Amigasystems including the operating system, AmigaOS which is in fact developed by a separate company. Commodore USA originally claimed the intention of developing AROS to be bundled with their Amiga systems,[42] however this plan was later publicly discarded by CEO Barry Altman.[43]
Πηγή:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_USA Προτείνω να το διαβάσετε όλο.
Όποιος θέλει το ψάχνει λιγο παραπάνω στα links παρακάτω:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/printthread.php?t=54174
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/25/commodore_name_bounces_again/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/15/commodore_name_kerfuffle/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/119093/commodore_computer_brand_sold.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/111556/commodore_64_makes_a_comeback.html
Σε γενικες γραμμες πας αγοραζεις ακριβα ενα μαιμου C64 και ενα θες service η' ειναι ελλατωματικο κατι δεν εχει καμια ευθυνη η εταιρια...
Απο wikipedia το παρακατω κειμενο:
Πηγη : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ACommodore_International#Commadore_International_is_still_around.
[h=2]Commodore USA[/h]Removed mentions to Commodore USA (http://www.commodoreusa.net
). None of the computers they sell are commodore-branded and they are using the name without permission. Absolutely no relation to Commodore International whatsoever. MaKamitt 23:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)Reverted. According to their site, it clearly states "Commodore® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Commodore Licensing, BV, registered in the United States and other countries worldwide." If you have referenced information to the contrary, then that can be taken in to consideration and/or added. But it can not simply be removed based on your unreferenced and unverified word. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 00:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)As of april 12th, we have this engadget article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/commodore-gaming-disavows-commodore-usa-and-its-decals/
. I'll email commodore international and see what they have to say on the matter though. apologies for not providing a reference initially, but I honestly didn't think anyone took their site seriously, and thought it was probably self-promotion by the site owner. As for "exclusive worlwide license, we know that to definitely be false simply by the existence of commodore international and commodore gaming MaKamitt 12:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)As stated, it can be taken in to consideration and added, i.e. information from notable sources that discusses the discrepency. However, this company and it's relation to Commodore (whether done under license or not) has to much reliable and notable press to be completely removed. A good solution to compromise would be to start another section in relation to this company, covering it in a *neutral* manner. That includes press coverage about their products, and items like the engadget article when discussing the licensing controversy. Finally, your observation is incorrect as you're missreading the statement. It clearly states it's under license from Commodore Licensing, BV. That is a part of Commodore International BV and under the umbrella of Commodore Asia now. The process is covered a bit here
and here
(the latter forum link can not be used as a reference in the article, and is being povided for contextual discussion only). --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)I am going to edit the different hardware section. Every recent Commodore that I know of has an Intel Processor, not just Commodore USA. Others are truly made for Windows such as the ones sold at http://www.commodorecorp.com/'>http://www.commodorecorp.com/
— Preceding unsigned comment added by In-Correct (talk • contribs) 12:35, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Also, why are the Commodore USA computers not listed? I am going to add them back. Perhaps I should wait until they begin selling them. In-Correct (talk) 12:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[h=2][edit]Re-Added "Different Hardware And Operating System[/h]Please keep it, and whoever added "(made by Commodore USA)" please do not add that back in there...or anything else like that. ALL manufacturers...whether they are Commodore World, Commodore Gaming, and Commodore USA, ...clearly have...in my opinion (which BTW I kept out of the article lol) merely PC clones, with PC keyboards, and Microsoft Windows. The only thing close to Amiga-like is installingAROS and the only other computers that are both PowerPC and can run MorphOS and AmigaOS are clones.
It is VERY important that the differene is clarified, because at one time Commodore was entirely its own system, with specific hardware, operating system, and keyboard {and Amiga Key and the C=Key is similar to Apple's Command Key...does Apple use the "Windows" key on their keyboards?! Haha now whether Apple should be doing that is a worthy debate, and don't worry...I kept this opinion out of the article also) and so people have to realize that Commodore is not simply a PC clone. In-Correct (talk) 07:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
[h=2][edit]I think the "Modern Computers" should be deleted[/h]I think this was added by somebody at Commodore USA. They keep mentioning on their websites that their computers are "modern", using all the features that nobody else has, Let Go Of The Past, blah blah etc.
but I don't think that Commodore USA is the only one that has "Modern" computers. All computers, regardless of manufacturer, should be considered Modern.
Also, "Modern" is not the Correct word!! Of course all computers still being made are going to be modern!! It is all about that "Let Go Of The Past Thing". The word should be "Recent", not "Modern".
Besides, do they even sell the computers, or are they still designing them?! These computers are a lot closer to being prototypes or concept machines.
Blah. I am going to go ahead and delete the "Modern" computers section. All, yes ALL... "Recent" Commodore computers has been explained in that "Different Hardware And Operating System" and I tried my best to type in The Neutral Zone. More will be added...once the machines are sold.
And that Commodore/Amiga-Flavored Linux distro isn't even named yet. I will add it later, once it has been named and released.
In-Correct (talk) 07:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
[h=2][edit]RE-Readding "Different Hardware And Operating System"[/h]Once again...this paragraph is being edited to make it appear that ONLY Commodore USA is responsible for different hardware architecture and operating system.
THIS IS NOT TRUE. Intel and Windows have been used before with both Commodore International and Commodore Gaming years before Commodore USA!!
I am putting back what I wrote...and PLEASE do NOT turn it into a Commodore USA-Only paragraph!! This is why my paragraph keeps getting deleted!!
Don't believe me? Read THIS. http://www.commodorecorp.com/
it clearly sells PC Clones and it clearly isn't Commodore USA.AND also I read in the history notes...Commodore USA has nothing to do with Commodore International????
There is a press release somewhere about Commodore USA being selected by Commodore International to make a replica of C64 keyboard computers. and that they will release cell phones with Android OS, (I think they should have picked Symbian, butI will leave that out of the article)
Also, because Commodore International is using only Intel and Windows, this means that Commodore International itself has been using different hardware and operating systems, not just Commodore USA.
In-Correct (talk) 05:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
[h=2][edit]Commodore USA in Post Commodore International[/h]I think that Commodore USA is adding more information. At least they kept it in the correct paragraph. I think that it needs reference links. (Other members might want to delete the entire paragraph, but I think a search for reference link should be the solution for now)
ALSO the last sentence, about the Commodore OS needs a reference link. It IS notable, since I have listened to the interview with Leo Nigro and ? about Commodore USA, which mentions the Commodore OS. But I don't know how to add reference links lol. In-Correct (talk) 09:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
....And... Do you think I should add the Commodore USA's Amiga models to the Amiga hardware template???? Under an Intel-based category???? That is an issue...because they have not been released yet...and have had not any press coverage at all that I am aware of. In-Correct (talk) 09:27, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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