Symbiface III
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Να πώ ότι ο Prodatron είπε το εξής:
Τhe SYMBiFACE 3 card is NOT a replacement of the SYMBiFACE II, but
an add-on card (though a VERY powerful one), which is attached on top
of the SF2 (which already has the two SF3-connectors on-board).
Οπότε αν δεν έχετε την 2 και θέλετε την 3... σπεύστε! Από τα 10 τμχ έχουν καβατζωθεί τα 2, νομίζω (το ένα σε συμπατριώτη). Γι ανα βγει άλλο batch πρέπει να γίνει 25άδα, μάλλον δύσκολο!
Τhe SYMBiFACE 3 card is NOT a replacement of the SYMBiFACE II, but
an add-on card (though a VERY powerful one), which is attached on top
of the SF2 (which already has the two SF3-connectors on-board).
Οπότε αν δεν έχετε την 2 και θέλετε την 3... σπεύστε! Από τα 10 τμχ έχουν καβατζωθεί τα 2, νομίζω (το ένα σε συμπατριώτη). Γι ανα βγει άλλο batch πρέπει να γίνει 25άδα, μάλλον δύσκολο!
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Ok, ανακοίνωση από τον Dr Zed. Καθίστε αναπαυτικά και αφήστε τα σάλια να τρέξουν ελεύθερα:
Thank you much for your interest in my current developments!
Until now, the development makes very good progress. The Hardware
is finished (and existing as a final prototype) and most of the Core Software
is also done. I am currently writing code for the USB-Stack including the most
needed Class-Drivers. USB-Storage devices are already implemented and basic HID
support is currently in development.
The network-stack was just adapted from my first network case studie known from
the Retro-Euskal in Spain.
The MP3 section has only seen some basic testing, but showed up to sound very
well, as
playing MP3-files directly from an USB-thumbdrive.
For those interested in the extended / stand-alone system basing on the
SF3 PCB (yeah..i had space for placing a medium sized FPGA and a big nice SDRAM
on the board)
i also have news: First testing with an experimental Z80 based system core
inside of the FPGA
leaded to great success. It should be no problem to implement a well featured
CPC system and/or
the OCM (OneChipMSX) core for that stand-alone-version called "SymStation".
This cores will have the same interface to the rest of the SF3, as the real CPC
would have.
A small framework for implementing further cores will also be supplied in the
hope to get
a reasonable choice of cores available. I'll open up some kind of
community-portal for
sharing documents, system extensions and FPGA-Cores around the SF3 / SymStation.
But please don't get confused by the different types of hardware i mentoined.
All them are basing on the same PCB. The difference is simply the presence of
the FPGA and surrounding components like SDRAM, VGA-DAC/Connector and
voltage-supply.
Not to forget the additional big bunch of software that is needed to
do all the stuff for the stand-alone version.
So in short we have:
The Symbiface3 which offers:
- USB with built-in two-port root hub. capable of 1,5 and 12MBits/s transfer rate
* Internal handeled protocol stack including enumeration and device driver
probing
* complete HAL to simplify accessing the different components connected
* software support to develop and dynamically upload additional class drivers
- Networking
* Standard Ethernet-interface with full duplex 10Mbits/s
* Internal handeled TCP-Stack extendable by dynamically loadable modules
* simple file-like interfaceing on the cpc/msx side
(open/close/read/write/resolveDNS)
- Sound
* MP3-Decoding and Wave (PCM / IMA-ADPCM) playback with a large 32kbytes of
playback buffer
* user loadable DSP-Software like equalizers and so on
* Passthrough and mixing of the CPC's sound output
* readback of the audio-output for capturing purposes
- Built in non volatile Memory
* 4Mbytes of flash memory accessable like any other drive provided by the
SF3 and thus supported by SymbOS
- Core
* Here too, we have loadable module support to extend the use of the SF3's
processor
The SymStation extends this by:
- FPGA
* Altera Cyclone3 EP3C10E144 ( which is big enough to have even two CPCs
inside it
)
- 16 or 32MBytes of SDRAM
- A framework will be provided to support you in writing own cores.
- Stand-alone housing made from eloxated aluminium. Handcrafted, of course
- Grafical core-selection system to choose "where you want to go today"
- Hopefully the one or the other finished core for you to play with.
Until now the integration into SymbOS covers networking (working so far) and
Mass-Storage
wich needs further testing up to now.
> - An estimation of the price ?
In this early stage, its not that easy to estimate the pricing.
But i set some restrictions to myself to have it not exceed the following limits:
Symbiface3 will not exceed the 150? line. This is, as always, dependant on the
number of built
units. If we havn't enough interrest in that device and production batches are
small, the price
may have to be corrected upwards.
The SymStation is a bit difficult to estimate. But it will never-ever(!) reach
the 250? mark.
> - When do you think it will be ready ?
This is also a very good question If things continue to go that well, it will be
available in mid to late 2009. The Symbiface3 itself may reach production
earlier, the
SymStation will take a bit longer to get ready.
Υπάρχουν και φωτό από το πρωτότυπο, αν και δεν είναι τόσο ταχτοποιημένο. Εγώ, πάντως, I'm sold!
Νομίζω το Symstation θα το χτυπήσω... :9
Thank you much for your interest in my current developments!
Until now, the development makes very good progress. The Hardware
is finished (and existing as a final prototype) and most of the Core Software
is also done. I am currently writing code for the USB-Stack including the most
needed Class-Drivers. USB-Storage devices are already implemented and basic HID
support is currently in development.
The network-stack was just adapted from my first network case studie known from
the Retro-Euskal in Spain.
The MP3 section has only seen some basic testing, but showed up to sound very
well, as
playing MP3-files directly from an USB-thumbdrive.
For those interested in the extended / stand-alone system basing on the
SF3 PCB (yeah..i had space for placing a medium sized FPGA and a big nice SDRAM
on the board)
i also have news: First testing with an experimental Z80 based system core
inside of the FPGA
leaded to great success. It should be no problem to implement a well featured
CPC system and/or
the OCM (OneChipMSX) core for that stand-alone-version called "SymStation".
This cores will have the same interface to the rest of the SF3, as the real CPC
would have.
A small framework for implementing further cores will also be supplied in the
hope to get
a reasonable choice of cores available. I'll open up some kind of
community-portal for
sharing documents, system extensions and FPGA-Cores around the SF3 / SymStation.
But please don't get confused by the different types of hardware i mentoined.
All them are basing on the same PCB. The difference is simply the presence of
the FPGA and surrounding components like SDRAM, VGA-DAC/Connector and
voltage-supply.
Not to forget the additional big bunch of software that is needed to
do all the stuff for the stand-alone version.
So in short we have:
The Symbiface3 which offers:
- USB with built-in two-port root hub. capable of 1,5 and 12MBits/s transfer rate
* Internal handeled protocol stack including enumeration and device driver
probing
* complete HAL to simplify accessing the different components connected
* software support to develop and dynamically upload additional class drivers
- Networking
* Standard Ethernet-interface with full duplex 10Mbits/s
* Internal handeled TCP-Stack extendable by dynamically loadable modules
* simple file-like interfaceing on the cpc/msx side
(open/close/read/write/resolveDNS)
- Sound
* MP3-Decoding and Wave (PCM / IMA-ADPCM) playback with a large 32kbytes of
playback buffer
* user loadable DSP-Software like equalizers and so on
* Passthrough and mixing of the CPC's sound output
* readback of the audio-output for capturing purposes
- Built in non volatile Memory
* 4Mbytes of flash memory accessable like any other drive provided by the
SF3 and thus supported by SymbOS
- Core
* Here too, we have loadable module support to extend the use of the SF3's
processor
The SymStation extends this by:
- FPGA
* Altera Cyclone3 EP3C10E144 ( which is big enough to have even two CPCs
inside it
)- 16 or 32MBytes of SDRAM
- A framework will be provided to support you in writing own cores.
- Stand-alone housing made from eloxated aluminium. Handcrafted, of course
- Grafical core-selection system to choose "where you want to go today"
- Hopefully the one or the other finished core for you to play with.
Until now the integration into SymbOS covers networking (working so far) and
Mass-Storage
wich needs further testing up to now.
> - An estimation of the price ?
In this early stage, its not that easy to estimate the pricing.
But i set some restrictions to myself to have it not exceed the following limits:
Symbiface3 will not exceed the 150? line. This is, as always, dependant on the
number of built
units. If we havn't enough interrest in that device and production batches are
small, the price
may have to be corrected upwards.
The SymStation is a bit difficult to estimate. But it will never-ever(!) reach
the 250? mark.
> - When do you think it will be ready ?
This is also a very good question
If things continue to go that well, it will beavailable in mid to late 2009. The Symbiface3 itself may reach production
earlier, the
SymStation will take a bit longer to get ready.
Υπάρχουν και φωτό από το πρωτότυπο, αν και δεν είναι τόσο ταχτοποιημένο. Εγώ, πάντως, I'm sold!
Νομίζω το Symstation θα το χτυπήσω... :9
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(τα μετέφερα εδώ, αφου αφορούν την SF3 )
Αν και, ομολογουμένως, είναι καταπληκτικό προτζεκτ, εμένα προσωπικά το Symstation δε με ενδιαφέρει. Ο λόγος είναι ότι θέλω να έχω μπροστά μου (ή να δείχνω σε κάποιον που ενδιαφέρεται) το πραγματικό 6128 με την SF2/3 συνδεδεμένη και όχι κάποια FPGA υλοποίηση ενός 6128. Αρα, i'm sold για μια SF3, ο κόσμος να χαλάσει.
Αυτο που θα ήθελα να προσθέσω είναι ότι επιτέλους και οι 2 τους (Zed και Prodatron) είναι back in business.
)Αν και, ομολογουμένως, είναι καταπληκτικό προτζεκτ, εμένα προσωπικά το Symstation δε με ενδιαφέρει. Ο λόγος είναι ότι θέλω να έχω μπροστά μου (ή να δείχνω σε κάποιον που ενδιαφέρεται) το πραγματικό 6128 με την SF2/3 συνδεδεμένη και όχι κάποια FPGA υλοποίηση ενός 6128. Αρα, i'm sold για μια SF3, ο κόσμος να χαλάσει.
Αυτο που θα ήθελα να προσθέσω είναι ότι επιτέλους και οι 2 τους (Zed και Prodatron) είναι back in business.
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Κοίτα, συμφωνώ με αυτά που λες. Αλλά ξέρω ότι αν πάρω την απλή SF3 μετά θα το μετανοιώνω που δεν έσκασα τα παραπάνω χρήματα να πάρω και τα έξτρα καλούδια, από τη στιγμή που το station θα κάνει και όσα η SF3...
Όσο για το 'back in business', έλα βρε! Τόσο καιρό δεν καθόντουσαν, απλά δεν ανακοινώνανε... αλλά λέγανε ότι είναι ζωντανό το πρότζεκτ, και είχαν ειδοποιήσει (είχα γράψει) για την καθυστέρηση...
Όσο για το 'back in business', έλα βρε! Τόσο καιρό δεν καθόντουσαν, απλά δεν ανακοινώνανε... αλλά λέγανε ότι είναι ζωντανό το πρότζεκτ, και είχαν ειδοποιήσει (είχα γράψει) για την καθυστέρηση...
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Να σου πω, σε αυτό το σημείω διατηρώ κι εγώ αμφιβολίες - για το κατά πόσο δηλαδή θα μπορεί να συνδεθεί σε υπάρχον σύστημα. Έχω ζητήσει διευκρινήσεις...
(εεεε κάποιος του οποίου η κοπέλα δεν θα καταλάβει πόσο ακριβό είναι το νέο, 'άχρηστο' μαραφέτι που μπήκε σπίτι...)
(εεεε κάποιος του οποίου η κοπέλα δεν θα καταλάβει πόσο ακριβό είναι το νέο, 'άχρηστο' μαραφέτι που μπήκε σπίτι...)
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Υλοποίηση του 6128 σε ένα Altera FPGA, σημαίνει ότι ο ίδιος ο 6128 είναι άχρηστος (αφου υλοποιείται μεσα στο τσιπάκι 
). Αρα, και από την ύπαρξη της VGA, καταλαβαίνω ότι θα είναι ένα κουτί που θα του συνδέεις ότι χρειάζεται και θα έχεις ενα 6128 μεσα σε κουτί 10x20cm. Thanks but, no thanks!
). Αρα, και από την ύπαρξη της VGA, καταλαβαίνω ότι θα είναι ένα κουτί που θα του συνδέεις ότι χρειάζεται και θα έχεις ενα 6128 μεσα σε κουτί 10x20cm. Thanks but, no thanks!
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11 μήνες πέρασαν από τότε. Αλλάξαμε κυβέρνηση, περάσαμε στο Μουντιάλ, μετακόμισα Χαλκίδα κλπ κλπ. Μην τα πολυλογώ, ψάρεψα τα πιο κάτω από το Symbos Yahoo Group:
κλπ κλπ. Μην τα πολυλογώ, ψάρεψα τα πιο κάτω από το Symbos Yahoo Group:Ο Gryzor ίσως έχει ακόμα πιο φρέσκα νέα...
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